“Doing Good to Build Trust”

Elizabeth Wilkins: 

Hi, everybody. I’m Elizabeth Wilkins, president and CEO of the Roosevelt Institute, and I am delighted to be here today with some big news and a very special guest. I am thrilled to announce that Nobel Prize–winning economist Paul Krugman will be joining the Roosevelt Institute as a senior fellow. Paul is one of the world’s most cited economists and widely read commentators, and for good reason. His longtime New York Times column and his Substack now prove that he is not just a bold thinker, he is one of the clearest and most dynamic communicators in the field—skills that come in handy when you want to break through the noise of this moment and get people thinking about what the future of our economy and democracy might look like. And, of course, this is what Roosevelt is all about: understanding where we are in the moment and where we need to go. 

So, Paul, I’m so excited to talk with you today. I started at Roosevelt in February, so we’re both new kids on the block here, and I will start with a question that I am getting a lot recently: Why your interest in affiliating with Roosevelt, and why now?

Paul Krugman: 

Well, now I think because partly having retired from the New York Times, I’m free to pursue other affiliations. The Times is kind of a jealous organization. But now that I’m no longer there, I can do this. Roosevelt has been a tremendous reservoir of progressive thinking and progressive economics. I was heavily reliant on Roosevelt research particularly during the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis—I’ve been around for a while here. [There’s] still novel stuff going on, and this seemed like a good affiliation to have in these times, to join the ranks of people with Roosevelt affiliations who have been providing really urgent commentary. 

Elizabeth: 

Thank you for the kind words. We appreciate it. One of the things that made your Times column such a hit for decades was the unique voice that you bring to economics: your ability to break down orthodoxy and cut to the core of what’s happening in plain terms. It almost goes without saying that there is a lot to cut through right now. We’ve seen attacks on government programs and on whole government agencies. And as you have noted and I have noted, the fate of Social Security and our social compact hangs in the balance right now. So, can you talk—with a little bit of your perspective on economic history—about what you think makes this moment unique? And through all this noise, what people should be paying attention to, and why? 

Paul: 

We are in a moment where we’ve lived, really since the New Deal in—whatever you want to call it—the Keynesian consensus. We’ve lived in a world where, we by no means went to socialism, but we had capitalism with some of the rough edges sanded off. Not as many of the rough edges that I would like, but we have Social Security, we’ve had Medicare since the 60s. We have Medicaid. We have the Affordable Care Act. We have a whole bunch of social insurance programs. We have government efforts to at least somewhat regulate the excesses and harms of markets. And now we are at a moment where there’s a real possibility that we may really lose that. We’re talking about possible retrogression, and the possibility of moving forward after this current moment has passed. But we really are at a point where the certainties of the underlying continuity of a fairly decent social compact is at risk. And so this is really new. 

Elizabeth:

I really like that phrase, this “capitalism with the rough edges sanded off.” And what I’m hearing you say is basically the idea of the social compact is that, yes, we have capitalism, but we also have a commitment to providing a measure of security for people, and that’s the deal we have struck. You write a ton about the New Deal and FDR [Franklin D. Roosevelt]. Can you just expand a little bit about how to think about that trade-off, how long that consensus has held, and if there are any other moments in our economic history where there have been similar threats to that compact that we can learn from? 

Paul: 

I like to think about—it’s 1933, and the world economy has collapsed. There are a lot of reasonable people [who] have concluded that capitalism is irredeemable and can’t be saved, and that on the other hand, you have a lot of forces of repression out there. And along comes several countries—with the US in some ways leading the New Deal order, which says, no, we’re not actually going to go socialist. We’re not going to seize the commanding heights of production, but we are going to try to make sure that extreme hardship is vanished, as far as we can manage. We’re going to try to make sure that workers feel that they are a part of, and that they have rights and claims to, the system. There was very much this moment when we reached a kind of—I don’t know if it’s a compromise or a synthesis—but the idea of a basic standard of decency, the Four Freedoms. While at the same time saying that it’s not evil to make profits. It’s not evil to be personally ambitious. But we are going to try to make it so that everyone shares in the gains from economic activity. 

And that really held. I mean, there was the moment when the Reagan administration came in, which represented, in many ways, a turn away from that New Deal consensus. But not to the extent that we have now. In moments of economic stress, people tend to say, well, maybe this thing doesn’t work anymore. The 1970s with stagflation, the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. That has basically been the case during attempts to turn away from the basic structure (which in the US context have always been a turn to the right, but in principle, you could imagine a turn to the left, but that hasn’t ever really happened in this country). And until right now, it has always seemed that the public wouldn’t stand for it. When push came to shove, when George W. Bush tried to privatize Social Security, it was a sort of resounding, “no, you don’t. We love Social Security.” But the possibility that we will have either explicitly or de facto undermining of those institutions seems much higher right now just because we live in such—well, we’re not gonna talk about the politics particularly, but there’s a possibility that we’ll lose it, that it will go away. And the one thing that I would say is that there’s this political action by itself, but there’s also the importance of getting the facts clear, getting the way the world works clear. No, there are not 10 million dead people receiving Social Security benefits. No, tax cuts and deregulation are not the only way to achieve economic growth. These are really critical things. Facts matter, analysis matters. 

Elizabeth: 

I’m just gonna pick up on that last thing you said about facts matter, analysis matters, and maybe go a little bit toward your true economist side. It’s not just Social Security we’re talking about. As you know and just mentioned, we’re in the middle of a tax and budget fight where we are very much looking at a situation where tax cuts for the wealthy might be traded for cuts to the programs that are specifically for our most vulnerable, like Medicaid and SNAP. This obviously has both political economy and democratic implications. It also has economic implications. Can you talk a little bit about this idea of what it means—this kind of wealth transfer, frankly, from the poorest to the richest, both in terms of hard facts, economics, and growth? And in terms of the social compacts that we’ve been talking about. 

Paul: 

It’s become increasingly clear that taking care of the most vulnerable members of society—it’s something you should do. It’s a moral obligation. But it’s also good economics, especially by the way of children. If you ask, a dollar spent on ensuring adequate health care and nutrition for children clearly pays off with multiple dollars of economic performance, because those children grow up to be more productive adults. 

One way to say this is that conservative economic doctrine is all about punishing, it’s all about incentives: Poverty should be painful and wealth should be glorious. And what that all misses is the importance of just plain resources. That if low-income families cannot devote the resources to their children that you need to make those children fully productive adults—some will manage despite that, but just plain making sure that everybody in the country has the resources to make the most of themselves and their children is an enormously practical thing. It’s not just soft-hearted liberal talk, though I am a soft-hearted liberal, but it’s also just what you need to do if you want to make the most of your country’s potential. 

Elizabeth: 

I’m going to take another policy area, one actually that you know a lot about. It’s the area of focus that won you your Nobel Prize. You, in recent months, have been saying that one of the biggest risks of the Trump administration’s economic agenda is their chaotic tariff policy. We are currently recording the day after Liberation Day. And last year you predicted that the cronyism of those tariffs might be the biggest story in the long run, in addition to the chaos. So can you walk us through those risks, the chaos and the cronyism, and to what degree you’re seeing that play out for American workers and consumers? And, you know, why—I mean, there’s a lot of reasons why—but why are these tariffs different than the years that we’ve seen them in the past? 

Paul: 

There’s a standard economics case against tariffs, which is that it basically leads your economy to turn away from the things it’s really good at and start doing the things that it’s not especially good at. So for example, in New York, there’s lots of memories of the garment industry, but we really don’t wanna bring the garment industry back. Those were pretty bad jobs, and it happens to be stuff that can be done—where they can do it reasonably well—in Bangladesh, which desperately needs that industry, and we should be doing the things that we’re really good at instead. So that’s the classic case. What we’re discovering is that the rise of this hostility toward trade has additional costs. And the most immediate one is just plain that we don’t know what it’s gonna be. 

As you said, we’re recording this the day after Liberation Day, which—nobody knows. I have to say that the actual tariff announcement shocked a lot of people, because it was both much bigger and much more arbitrary than people expected. I wouldn’t have been really shocked if there was a 15 percent across-the-board tariff, because that had been foreshadowed. But instead, there’s different tariffs for every country and this wasn’t really on anybody’s playbook. And nobody knows whether it [will] persist. 

Think of yourself as being a business person trying to make decisions. You’re going to make an investment in your business—or are you? I mean, should you be spending money and making commitments on the basis that, okay, we’re gonna have 20 percent tariffs on all goods from Europe, or should you make it on the proposition that, “look, that’s crazy, those won’t last”? And both of those are defensible propositions. Anything you do, if you invest on the assumption that the tariffs are here to stay, then you’ll have made a terrible decision if they don’t. And so there’s a lot of paralysis that comes from the chaos. I’ve always been skeptical of people who invoke uncertainty as a reason that policy is holding the economy back, but because it’s often used as an argument against progressive policies: Oh, you know, your universal health care goals, that creates uncertainty. But in this case, this really is a major harmful issue. 

We have not yet seen the cronyism, but it’s clearly potential. The whole root of—the reason why trade is where the dramatic stuff is happening [is because] US law creates a lot of discretion for the executive branch in tariff setting. Tariffs were only supposed to be applied as remedies for specific kinds of shocks or specific kinds of threats, but the decision about whether those conditions apply lies with the executive branch. So a president who wants to can do whatever they want on trade. And in the past, that’s always been held back by concern about: How will other countries react? What about the system? We built this global trading system. So it’s always been assumed that the president would have a wider view. 

But if you take that away, then it’s not just arbitrary in terms of what are the overall levels of tariffs, it’s who gets a tariff break. And in fact, every time we do impose tariffs, there tend to be some exemptions. There are good reasons why sometimes you might want to exempt somebody from a tariff. But if it’s all arbitrary, the exemption might come because you go golfing with the president. And so that creates a lot of problematic incentives. We actually saw that in 2017, 2018, when the US was putting on tariffs—which looked trivial compared to what’s now on the plate—but it was very clear that industries and companies that were politically tied to the administration in power were much more likely to get exemptions than those that weren’t. So we actually saw this. We live in amazing times, and I mean that in the worst way. But everything that happened in the first go-around of what we called the trade war, it was really nothing—it was a skirmish compared with what’s happening now. But now, the possibilities are huge. 

There’s a whole field of economic research on what the field calls rent-seeking. Economies where the way to succeed in business is not to be good at business, but to be good at cultivating political connections. And much of that actually was about tariffs and import quotas, but typically in developing countries. So there was a large concern that in places like Brazil or India, they were actually sacrificing a lot of potential gainful economic activity because businesses were focused instead on currying political favor. Well, could that happen here? Yes, it could. Very much down the road. I mean, I have to say that the speed and scale of the stuff that’s going on makes me think that we may have a global trade war and massive disruption before we even get around to the cronyism. But it’s down there, it’s in there. It’s in the mix. 

Elizabeth: 

We have seen, before yesterday, a real stop-start, put-on put-off, someone complains and we delay for a month. So I think we’ll really have to see, post-yesterday, where this goes. And this is a helpful roadmap for what to look for. 

Paul: 

And we should bear in mind also that the rest of the world has agency too. And part of the issue here is that the chaotic nature of the rollout is—again, the rest of the world has agency. And if you want to avoid getting into a lot of tit-for-tat, you probably want to at least explain what you’re doing and not be offending other countries unnecessarily. But, of course, we are doing that. I mean, to make Canada turn anti-American really takes—I didn’t think that—that wasn’t on my dance card for my career. 

Elizabeth: 

Roosevelt has argued for a long time for the strategic and targeted use of tariffs alongside industrial policy. And also, of course, alongside a strong sense of what rules and regulations you have to use to control unproductive uses of corporate and market power in that context, to make sure that the incentive structure that you’re creating actually targets the gains that you’re trying to make. But we’ve also argued for a way to transition into those things that takes account of some of the concerns that you’ve raised in terms of creating a stable business environment for investment, creating predictability, explaining things to mitigate the risk of fallout. And we’ve heard members of the administration say, “hey, yes.” [They] admit that this is going to be a little bit painful for a while, but it’ll be beneficial in the end. 

You started to say this, but can you just pick apart for us when we hear someone say, “there might be a little bit of turmoil for a while,” what are the real costs of what that kind of turmoil might be for businesses, workers, consumers? 

Paul: 

I actually don’t buy—I mean, yes, there’s short-term pain, but it’s not short-term pain in exchange for a long-run gain, by any economic model I can think of applying. It’s actually short-term pain in return for probably even bigger long-term pain. The story about how this gets better is really not there. 

I’m not a purist free trader. I’m not a laissez-faire guy. I mean, there’s a kind of idealized version of the post–New Deal consensus, which is, leave economic activity up to the markets, and then we’ll have a social safety net. But that has never been enough. We always need some additional stuff. We always need some industrial policy. And I think we need it more than we have actually had. But the reality is that you still want to have a lot of [trade]. International trade has, for the most part, been a plus for the US economy. There were distributional issues, but even there, it’s probably been a net-plus for the great majority of workers. And you’d want to mitigate the parts that aren’t. So the idea that shutting it down is going to produce a better outcome 5, 10 years down the pike, there’s really no clear argument to that effect. What is true is that we have this additional overlay, which is that nobody knows what the world is gonna look like next year. And so this is a tremendous inhibiting force. 

Normally, when people say that, well, protectionism causes recessions, my answer has been no. There are lots of reasons not to like protectionism, but there’s no story about how it causes recessions. But protectionism where nobody knows what it’s gonna be, where nobody knows what the tariff rates are gonna be next year, that could cause a recession. So we may have the first real tariff-induced recession that I’m aware of in history, like, now. 

Elizabeth: 

That will give us something to keep an eye on over the next year and more. 

I’m gonna change topics a little bit. We started, a little bit, to talk about power in the economy. Who has it? Who doesn’t? It’s something that you’ve explored. In your book Conscience of a Liberal, you wrote something that I really like: “The New Deal did more than create a middle-class society. It also brought America closer to its democratic ideals by giving working Americans real political power and ending the dominant position of the wealthy elite.”

Particularly in the environment we’re in today, what do you think policymakers should be thinking about in terms of what we can do to bring that New Deal power lens both to this moment and to a moment where we would have the ability to set the rules to put our country on a better course? 

Paul: 

There are two ends to that. One is just giving ordinary working- or middle-class people effective vehicles to exert political influence. And of course, we have the vote. (There may be that there’s no “of course” about that, but in principle, at least we have votes.) But I don’t think we really realized how much a strong union movement contributed toward making democracy work better. You can say, well, why isn’t the individual right to vote enough? And the answer is, look, there’s collective action problems. Politics is completely pervasive of things that would be good if everybody did them, but maybe [there’s] no individual incentives. So organizing politically is always hard, and unions are a big force in that—or were. And to some extent, still are, but much less than they used to be. And that’s really important. We are a less democratic country in practice because we don’t have workers organized. That’s one end of it, and there may be other ways, although I have to admit that I’m not all that creative. I think the success of unions in really making America more American in the postwar generation is something that we have never managed to find other routes to do. 

Then on the other hand, there’s the question of the influence of malefactors of great wealth. The influence of vast wealth. And you don’t have to get too much into current events to say, well, we can really see that. I have to say, going back now, it looks like the plutocrats of the Gilded Age, by contemporary standards, were remarkable in their restraint and discretion. They didn’t try to buy influence as openly as the plutocrats today do. So now there are things you can do. It’s funny that our great grandfathers were much more open than we are in saying that one of the purposes of progressive taxation is to actually limit extreme wealth. And not simply because it’s more money to serve the common people, but because extreme wealth distorts democracy. Woodrow Wilson was much more willing to say things that would be regarded as extremely radical leftism now. 

So really to reclaim who we are as a nation, [who we] are supposed to be, we need to work on both those ends. We need to try to empower basically working Americans, ordinary workers to have a role. And maybe there are other things besides unions, but that’s the obvious route.

And then you also need to try both with rules about money and politics, but also perhaps, if we can eventually, [through] constraining policy that limits the accumulation of enormous fortunes. That also limits that distortion because we really are in a situation now where it’s—all of the warnings about, as FDR would have said, the powers of organized money seem far more acute now than they ever did in the past. 

Elizabeth: 

You mentioned ideas that once were acceptable to say in polite company that seem more radical now. This is sort of the business of Roosevelt, to think big about how we can solve these questions of the maldistribution of power in the economy and do them at a structural level. And how to make ideas about that part of the common sense. You’ve talked about how that is part of what happened with the New Deal—that New Deal institutions that were at first considered novel and radical, by the Eisenhower presidency had become [a] normal part of American life. How did that happen in your view, that change in the common sense? And what made them so enduring and what lessons can we find for today about how to reorient what seems impossible and what seems a normal part of life? 

Paul: 

One of the things that strikes me when I look at history, both of economic institutions and of economic ideas, is that lots of things seem radical and scary until people have had a chance to experience them. So there’s the famous Nancy Pelosi quote—often out of context—where she said that for people to really understand the Affordable Care Act, we have to pass it. And it wasn’t like we were going to pull one over on people. It was that, as long as it was merely a theoretical thing, as long as it was something in prospect, it was possible to tell scare stories about death panels and just say, what will this do? But then after a few years, it becomes part of the fabric of life. And then, by the time we actually came fairly close to losing it, people were outraged because even imperfect as it is, Obamacare is a terrifically important safety net for many people. 

You see that on a much larger scale [with] the New Deal changes. So if you go back to when FDR did his really stem-winding address in 1936 about the “I welcome their hatred” thing. The thing that was really the flash point—[that] was widely portrayed on one side of the political spectrum as an outrageous step that would destroy the market economy—was actually not Social Security, but unemployment insurance. It was like, “oh my god. You’re gonna actually pay people when they don’t have jobs.” And it turned out that hey, that’s okay. In fact—unemployment insurance was the most important thing that got us through COVID with minimal hardship. And now there are people, there’s always people who want to do away with these safety net programs. But things that can be made to sound ominous and radical when no one has actually experienced them can, after a few years, become part of the landscape. 

The New Deal first got us through the Great Depression, then got us through the war. And by the time the war was over, we had become a very different country—and I would say a much better country—in which people accepted that, yeah, we have a kind of public responsibility to limit extreme inequality, to limit extreme hardship. 

Elizabeth:  

I want to close this out with a note that you struck in your final New York Times column last December. It was a tough one. You wrote, “optimism has been replaced by anger and resentment,” and that “the public no longer has faith that the people running things know what they’re doing, or that we can assume that they’re being honest.”

I think that applies to government. It also applies to a lot of institutions across the board. So here is my question for you: What do you think it will take to rebuild trust in public institutions? And also, on a more personal level, how do you find the hope that we can make it there from here? 

Paul: 

Well, there’s nothing like actually doing good to build trust. If we can find our way past the current turmoil, I think that there’s an underlying reservoir of optimism still in America. And if we can get our way past this, all of these things that led us to this rather scary moment, then a few years of good governance can actually do wonders. I mean, I’m older than you are, and certainly older than a lot of the people I deal with, but I remember the 1990s. And although there are many imperfections and lots of things, it’s hard to remember just how positive people were feeling about America by the end of that decade. And that was thrown away through a variety of bad decisions. But still, it’s not that distant. It’s not that inconceivable. 

And so I would think that the way forward is to get people in power who really do try to use it for good, get good programs, get good policy, get decent people. And there’s a lot of strengths in America. And this atmosphere of distrust and feeling that everyone is out to get you is self-serving. That will go away fairly quickly if it’s demonstrably not true. 

Now personally, I’m terrified. I’m not giving up, but you can see a lot of the things that we read about in the history books about how societies go wrong are no longer abstract. We can see those emotions, we can see those forces out there. But the truth is that a better environment is actually—people become more generous, more positive when things are going okay. And we really don’t want to have a situation where [this] zero-sum, “I’ve got mine, I don’t want anybody else to get it” thinking is validated by experience. So, try to make things work is how we go from here. 

Elizabeth: 

I can tell you one of the things that gives me hope, Paul, is that in a moment where we are watching some institutions capitulate and fold in a way that is really disheartening, we also have some voices that are getting louder, not softer, and I think one of them is yours. So I wanna say how appreciative I know I am personally and how excited I know the [Roosevelt] Institute is generally to have you on as a senior fellow, in part because I really do think you are a voice out there that’s making sense of what’s happening. That’s helping us put into a context that we can understand the flood of news that we are experiencing. And, again, to demonstrate what it looks like to be a consistent voice with good analysis and moral clarity about what’s happening now, and also who we have been in the past and who we could be again. So we really appreciate your work, and we really appreciate you taking the time to chat today. 

Paul: 

Well, thank you, and I’m glad to be on board. 

The Heritage Foundation’s Medicare and Social Security Blueprint

If Congress in the next year or two succeeds in transforming Medicare into something that looks like a run-of-the mill Medicare Advantage plan for everyone – not just for those who now have the plans – it will mark the culmination of a 30-year project funded by the Heritage Foundation.

A conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation grew to prominence in the 1970s and ’80s with a well-funded mission to remake or eliminate progressive governmental programs Americans had come to rely on, like Medicare, Social Security and Workers’ Compensation. 

Some 30 million people already have been lured into private Medicare Advantage plans, eager to grab such sales enticements as groceries, gym memberships and a sprinkling of dental coverage while apparently oblivious to the restrictions on care they may encounter when they get seriously ill and need expensive treatment.  That’s the time when you really need good insurance to pay the bills. 

Congress may soon pass legislation that authorizes a study commission pushed by Heritage and some Republican members aimed at placing recommendations on the legislative table that would end Medicare and Social Security, replacing those programs with new ones offering lesser benefits for fewer people.

In other words, they would no longer be available to everyone in a particular group. Instead they would morph into something like welfare, where only the neediest could receive benefits.  

How did these popular programs, now affecting 67.4 million Americans on Social Security and nearly 67 million on Medicare, become imperiled?

As I wrote in my book, Slanting the Story: The Forces That Shape the NewsHeritage had embarked on a campaign to turn Medicare into a totally privatized arrangement. It’s instructive to look at the 30-year campaign by right-wing think tanks, particularly the Heritage Foundation, to turn these programs into something more akin to health insurance sold by profit-making companies like Aetna and UnitedHealthcare than social insurance, where everyone who pays into the system is entitled to a benefit when they become eligible.  

The proverbial handwriting was on the wall as early as 1997 when a group of American and Japanese health journalists gathered at an apartment in Manhattan to hear a program about services for the elderly. The featured speaker was Dr. Robyn Stone who had just left her position as assistant secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services in the Clinton administration. 

Stone chastised the American reporters in the audience, telling them: “What is amazing to me is that you have not picked up on probably the most significant story in aging since the 1960s, and that is passage of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, which creates Medicare Plus Choice” – a forerunner of today’s Advantage plans.

“This is the beginning of the end of entitlements for the Medicare program,” Stone said, explaining that the changes signaled a move toward a “defined contribution” program rather than a “defined benefit” plan with a predetermined set of benefits for everyone. “The legislation was so gently passed that nobody looked at the details.” 

Robert Rosenblatt, who covered the aging beat for the Los Angeles Times, immediately challenged her. “It’s not the beginning of the end of Medicare as we know it,” he shot back. “It expands consumer choice.” 

Consumer choice had become the watchword of the so-called “consumer movement,” ostensibly empowering shoppers – but without always identifying the conditions under which their choices must be made.

When consumers lured by TV pitchmen sign up for Medicare Advantage, how many of the sellers disclose that once those consumers leave traditional Medicare for an Advantage plan, they may be trapped. In most states, they will not be able to buy a Medicare supplement policy if they don’t like their new plan unless they are in super-good health. 

In other words, most seniors are stuck. That can leave beneficiaries medically stranded when they have a serious, costly illness at a time in life when many are using up or have already exhausted their resources. I once asked a Medicare counselor what beneficiaries with little income would do if they became seriously ill and their Advantage plan refused to pay many of the bills, an increasingly common predicament.  The cavalier answer I got was: “They could just go on Medicaid.”

The push to privatize Medicare began in February 1995 when Heritage issued a six-page committee brief titled “A Special Report to the House Ways and Means Committee”, which was sent to members of Congress, editorial writers, columnists, talk show hosts and other media.  Heritage then spent months promoting its slant on the story. Along with other right-wing groups dedicated to transforming Medicare from social insurance to a private arrangement like car insurance, Heritage clobbered reporters who produced stories that didn’t fit the conservative narrative.

The right-wing Media Research Center singled out journalists who didn’t use the prescribed vocabulary to describe Heritage plans. Its newsletter criticized CBS reporter Linda Douglas when she reported that the senior citizens lobby had warned that the Republican budget would gut Medicare. The group reprimanded another CBS reporter, Connie Chung, for reporting that the House and Senate GOP plans “call for deep cuts in Medicare and other programs.”  Haley Barbour, then Republican National Committee chairman, vowed to raise “unshirted hell” with the news media whenever they used the word “cut.” He wined and dined reporters, “educating” them on the “difference” between cuts and slowing Medicare’s growth.  Former Republican U.S. Rep. John Kasich of Ohio, who chaired the House budget committee, called reporters warning them not to use the word “cut,” later admitting he “worked them over.”  

As I wrote at the time, by fall of that year reporters had fallen in line.  Douglas, who had been criticized all summer, got the words right and reported that the Republican bill contained a number of provisions “all adding up to a savings of $270 billion in the growth of Medicare spending.”

Fast forward to now. The Heritage Foundation’s Budget Blueprint for fiscal year 2023 offered ominous recommendations for Medicare, some of which might be enacted in a Republican administration. The think tank yet again called for a “premium support system” for Medicare, claiming that if its implementation was assumed in 2025, it “would reduce outlays by $1 trillion during the FY 2023-2032 period.” Heritage argues that the controversial approach would foster “intense competition among health plans and providers,” “expand beneficiaries’ choices,” “control costs,” “slow the growth of Medicare spending,” and “stimulate innovation.”

The potential beneficiaries would be given a sum of money, often called a premium support, to shop in the new marketplace, which could resemble today’s sales bazaar for Medicare Advantage plans, setting up the possibility for more hype and more sellers hoping to cash in on the revamped Medicare program. Many experts fear that such a program ultimately could destroy what is left of traditional Medicare, which about half of the Medicare population still prefers.  

In other words, most seniors are stuck. 

That can leave beneficiaries medically stranded when they have a serious, costly illness at a time in life when many are using up or have already exhausted their resources. I once asked a Medicare counselor what beneficiaries with little income would do if they became seriously ill and their Advantage plan refused to pay many of the bills, an increasingly common predicament.  The cavalier answer I got was: “They could just go on Medicaid.”

The push to privatize Medicare began in February 1995 when Heritage issued a six-page committee brief titled “A Special Report to the House Ways and Means Committee”, which was sent to members of Congress, editorial writers, columnists, talk show hosts and other media.  Heritage then spent months promoting its slant on the story. Along with other right-wing groups dedicated to transforming Medicare from social insurance to a private arrangement like car insurance, Heritage clobbered reporters who produced stories that didn’t fit the conservative narrative.

The right-wing Media Research Center singled out journalists who didn’t use the prescribed vocabulary to describe Heritage plans. Its newsletter criticized CBS reporter Linda Douglas when she reported that the senior citizens lobby had warned that the Republican budget would gut Medicare. The group reprimanded another CBS reporter, Connie Chung, for reporting that the House and Senate GOP plans “call for deep cuts in Medicare and other programs.”  Haley Barbour, then Republican National Committee chairman, vowed to raise “unshirted hell” with the news media whenever they used the word “cut.” He wined and dined reporters, “educating” them on the “difference” between cuts and slowing Medicare’s growth.  Former Republican U.S. Rep. John Kasich of Ohio, who chaired the House budget committee, called reporters warning them not to use the word “cut,” later admitting he “worked them over.”  

As I wrote at the time, by fall of that year reporters had fallen in line.  Douglas, who had been criticized all summer, got the words right and reported that the Republican bill contained a number of provisions “all adding up to a savings of $270 billion in the growth of Medicare spending.”

Fast forward to now. The Heritage Foundation’s Budget Blueprint for fiscal year 2023 offered ominous recommendations for Medicare, some of which might be enacted in a Republican administration. The think tank yet again called for a “premium support system” for Medicare, claiming that if its implementation was assumed in 2025, it “would reduce outlays by $1 trillion during the FY 2023-2032 period.” Heritage argues that the controversial approach would foster “intense competition among health plans and providers,” “expand beneficiaries’ choices,” “control costs,” “slow the growth of Medicare spending,” and “stimulate innovation.”

The potential beneficiaries would be given a sum of money, often called a premium support, to shop in the new marketplace, which could resemble today’s sales bazaar for Medicare Advantage plans, setting up the possibility for more hype and more sellers hoping to cash in on the revamped Medicare program. Many experts fear that such a program ultimately could destroy what is left of traditional Medicare, which about half of the Medicare population still prefers.  

In a Republican administration with a GOP Congress, some of the recommendations, or parts of them, might well become law. The last 30 years have shown that the Heritage Foundation and other organizations driven by ideological or financial reasons want to transform Medicare, and they are committed for the long haul.  They have the resources to promote their cause year after year, resulting in the continual erosion of traditional Medicare by Advantage Plans, many of which  are of questionable value when serious illness strikes

The seeds of Medicare’s destruction are in the air. 

The program as it was set out in 1965 has kept millions of older Americans out of medical poverty for over 50 years, but it may well become something else – a privatized health care system for the oldest citizens whose medical care will depend on the profit goals of a handful of private insurers. It’s a future that STAT’s Bob Herman, whose reporting has explored the inevitable clash between health care and an insurer’s profit goals, has shown us.

In the long term, the gym memberships, the groceries, the bit of dental and vision care so alluring today may well disappear, and millions of seniors will be left once again to the vagaries of America’s private insurance marketplace.

Trump Unveils Healthcare Agenda

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What's in, and out, of Biden's health care plan

List of bullet points prompts debate over lack of detail, potential for actual achievement.

Health policy scholars critiqued the Trump campaign’s broad strokes healthcare agenda for his potential second term. While some found it overly vague, even dishonest, one suggested it was precisely what voters want.

Released Sunday night as a list of bullet points, the “Fighting for You” agenda will apparently serve as the Republican platform for the 2020 election. The GOP’s platform committee voted over the weekend to dispense with the customary detailed policy document for this cycle, in favor of simply backing President Trump’s agenda.

That agenda, which the Trump campaign promised would be fleshed out in future speeches and statements, included the following points relevant to healthcare:

Eradicate COVID-19

  • Develop a vaccine by the end of 2020
  • Return to normal in 2021
  • Make all critical medicines and supplies for healthcare workers
  • Refill stockpiles and prepare for future pandemics

Healthcare

  • Cut prescription drug prices
  • Put patients and doctors back in charge of our healthcare system
  • Lower healthcare insurance premiums
  • End surprise billing
  • Cover all pre-existing conditions
  • Protect Social Security and Medicare
  • Protect our veterans and provide world-class healthcare and services

Reliance on China

  • Allow 100% expensing deductions for essential industries like pharmaceuticals and robotics who bring back their manufacturing to the U.S.
  • No federal contracts for companies who outsource to China
  • Hold China fully accountable for allowing the virus to spread around the world

Joseph Antos, PhD, a resident scholar in healthcare and retirement policy at the American Enterprise Institute, characterized Trump’s strategy as “Don’t explain it. Just say what your goals are.”

He applauded the brevity of the document, 6 pages in total, covering 10 different policy areas from jobs to healthcare to immigration, as a “smart strategy.”

Voters don’t want to read lengthy policy briefs and gave the “Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force Recommendations” which were over 100 pages long and “unbelievably complicated stuff” as an example of how not to reach voters.

“I think [Trump] got it right. He’s not running a think tank…. He’s running for office. He does have a keen eye for what the average voter could stand to listen to.”

Gail Wilensky, PhD, an economist and senior fellow at Project Hope in Bethesda, Maryland, and CMS administrator under President George H.W. Bush, agreed that a platform packed with policy details doesn’t sway many voters.

This election, she said, is about one thing only: “Trump or not Trump.”

Whither the ACA?

Nevertheless, the Trump campaign’s goals merit attention, often for what they don’t include as well as what they do.

As for the substance of the agenda, the key difference between the Trump administration’s proposed agenda and that of the Democratic nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden, is that the latter aims to expand access to health insurance using the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) framework, said Wilensky.

While Trump’s 2016 healthcare agenda centered around repealing the ACA, his second-term agenda doesn’t mention the law by name.

Wilensky said she’s glad that Trump did not include ACA repeal among his goals, given that “there’s no historical precedence” for eliminating the core benefits of such far-reaching legislation, now on the books for 10 years and fully implemented for 6.

Kavita Patel, MD, a primary care physician and Brookings Institution scholar in Washington, D.C., who was an advisor on the Democrats’ platform, said, “This is all just posturing and politics and almost a continuation of things [Trump’s] been saying without any real details behind it.”

Many of these items — such as ending surprise billing, lowering health insurance premiums, and cutting prescription drug prices — would have Democrats’ support “but they would get there in a different way,” Patel said.

One thing she was surprised not to see in the agenda were references to abortion or other reproductive health issues, she noted.

Insurance Coverage Neglected

Rosemarie Day, founder and CEO of Day Health Strategies and author of Marching Toward Coverage: How Women can Lead the Fight for Universal Healthcare, was dumbfounded by the overall lack of substance in the agenda, and particularly by the absence of a plan to deal with rising rates of uninsurance related to the pandemic.

Day thought the Trump campaign could have at least included a plan for returning to the “baseline” on the number of uninsured. Another administration might have chosen to promote Medicaid coverage or encourage unemployed workers to enroll on the health insurance exchanges, but not this administration, she said.

“So, they’re really just leaving people out in the cold,” Day said.

Wilensky, too, suggested it would have been “useful” for the Trump campaign to have “talked about how they envision getting more people covered.”

Paul Ginsburg, PhD, director of the USC-Brookings Schaeffer Initiative for Health Policy, said much of the agenda is “just aspirations.”

“‘Put patients and doctors in charge of our healthcare system’? … I don’t know what the policy is, [but] who’s going to quarrel with that?”

Lowering healthcare premiums also sounds “nice” but how that would be achieved is unclear, he said.

One agenda item in the document that really really irked Day was the Trump administration’s pledge to protect people who have pre-existing conditions.

“I consider the ‘covering all pre-existing conditions’ an outright lie,” she said. “I find it incredibly upsetting that [Trump] continues to say that” because he spent his first term attacking the ACA, which does protect pre-existing condition coverage.

Day also noted that the administration has repeatedly promised an ACA replacement without ever delivering an actual proposal.

Responding to the Pandemic

The Trump campaign agenda lists “eradicate COVID-19” on its bullet list, but Patel said it’s “probably not an achievable goal.” A more realistic target is to control it better.

“We have deaths every year and hospitalizations from influenza, but we have a vaccine and we have … strategies to protect people like seniors and young children,” Patel said. “That’s exactly the kind of attitude we have to take” with regard to COVID-19.

For both Patel and Ginsburg, “return to normal” is another aspiration that’s beyond the government’s power to deliver.

“So much depends on a vaccine and its acceptance and how quickly it can be produced,” Ginsburg said.

As for making all critical medicines and supplies for healthcare workers in the United States, Ginsburg acknowledged that it’s theoretically doable, but still unrealistic because it would be “way too expensive.”

“Brand name drugs are routinely produced in other countries as well as the U.S.; I wouldn’t want to upset that supply chain, especially for drugs that are in shortage,” he said.

 

 

 

Can we ‘TRUST’ the ‘CARES ACT’ to ‘HEAL’ our nation?

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Social Security Error Leads to Unpaid Medicare Coverage

A groan-up look at Congress’s aspirational acronyms for its various stimulus bills.

Two of the things missing from the increasingly bitter debate about how to handle covid-19’s effect on our people, our businesses and our economy are a sense of humor and bipartisanship.

So as a public service, let me try to bring both of those to bear by doing a deep dive into the various pieces of stimulus legislation currently running around in Our Nation’s Capital.

No, I’m not going to give you a detailed, sleep-inducing analysis featuring numbers and experts opining about various provisions. Instead, I’m going to look at the names — which I find hilariously tortured — of the various pieces of legislation.

Possibly because I’m both a recovering English major and a non-Washingtonian, I like to know the full names of the legislation — like the Cares Act — that I’m writing about. And these names are just great. Let’s start with the Cares (or as I prefer to call it, CARES) Act.

Do you know what the full name of that legislation is? Probably not. Okay, I’ll tell you. It’s the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. A name clearly invented to produce a seemingly empathetic acronym.

Now, let’s move on to two total groaners — the Democrats’ and Republicans’ proposals for more stimulus legislation. Remember, I’m not talking about the proposals’ provisions — I’m talking about their names. The Democrats’ candidate in the current stimulus battle is the Heroes (or rather HEROES) Act. The full name of this piece of work, which has been passed by the House, is the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act. My favorite part is “Omnibus,” which clearly is in the title because an acronym meister needed an O, and Omnibus was better than Outsized or Over-the-top.

Showing that they would not be out-acronymed, the Republicans named their legislation, which is currently kicking around (and being kicked around) in the Senate, the Heals (or HEALS) Act. That stands for Health, Economic Assistance, Liability protection and Schools Act. The lowercase p in “protection” let the acronym mavens call the legislation HEALS rather than HEALPS.

And finally, there’s legislation that’s been around for several years but that I discovered only recently when Mitch McConnell and his crew stuck it into the HEALS Act. It’s a proposal that would let a congressional committee, operating outside of public sight, propose cuts and changes to Social Security, Medicare and some other federal programs that use trust funds. It’s called the Time to Rescue United States Trusts (or TRUST) Act. I’ve looked at it only superficially — but from what I’ve seen, I don’t think there’s any reason to trust it.

I hope you’ve noticed that I’m doing equal-opportunity name mocking: the Cares and Trust acts, which are bipartisan; the Heroes Act, which is Democratic; and the Heals (or HEALPS) Act, which is Republican.

What do I propose to do about these contorted names? I’m glad you asked. My answer, naturally, is to propose a piece of legislation of my own: The Get Rid Of Acronyms Now Act. That, my friends, would be a true GROAN-er.

 

The Presidential Campaign, Policy Issues and the Public

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The Presidential Campaign, Policy Issues and the Public

The U.S. presidential campaign is ultimately a connection between candidates and the people of the country, but the development of the candidates’ policies and positions is largely asymmetric. Candidates develop and announce “plans” and policy positions that reflect their (the candidates’) philosophical underpinnings and (presumably) deep thinking. The people then get to react and make their views known through polling and, ultimately, through voting.

Candidates by definition assume they have unique wisdom and are unusually qualified to determine what the government should do if they are elected (otherwise, they wouldn’t be running). That may be so, but the people of the country also have collective wisdom and on-the-ground qualifications to figure out what government should be doing. That makes it useful to focus on what the people are telling us, rather than focusing exclusively on the candidates’ pronouncements. I’m biased, because I spend most of my time studying the public’s opinions rather than what the candidates are saying. But hopefully most of us would agree that it is worthwhile to get the public’s views of what they want from their government squarely into the mix of our election-year discourse.

So here are four areas where my review of public opinion indicates the American public has clear direction for its elected officials.

1. Fixing Government Itself.

I’ve written about this more than any other topic this year. The data are clear that the American people are in general disgusted (even more than usual) with the way their government is working and perceive that government and elected leaders constitute the most important problem facing the nation today.

The people themselves may be faulted here because they are the ones who give cable news channels high ratings for hyperpartisan programming, keep ideological radio talk shows alive, click on emotionally charged partisan blogs, and vote in primaries for hyperpartisan candidates. But regardless of the people’s own complicity in the problem, there isn’t much doubt that the government’s legitimacy in the eyes of the people is now at a critically negative stage.

“Fixing government” is a big, complex proposition, of course, but we do have some direction from the people. While Americans may agree that debate and differences are part of our political system, there has historically been widespread agreement on the need for elected representatives to do more compromising. Additionally, Americans favor term limitsrestricting the amount of money candidates can spend in campaigns and shifting to a 100% federally funded campaign system. (Pew Research polling shows that most Americans say big donors have inordinate influence based on their contributions, and a January Gallup poll found that only 20% of Americans were satisfied with the nation’s campaign finance laws.) Americans say a third major party is needed to help remedy the inadequate job that the two major parties are doing of representing the people of the country. Available polling shows that Americans favor the Supreme Court’s putting limits on partisan gerrymandering.

Additionally, a majority of Americans favor abolishing the Electoral College by amending the Constitution to dictate that the candidate who gets the most popular votes be declared the winner of the presidential election (even though Americans who identify as Republicans have become less interested in this proposition in recent years because the Republican candidate has lost the popular vote but has won in the Electoral College in two of the past five elections).

 

2. Fix the Backbone of the Nation by Initiating a Massive Government Infrastructure Program.

I have written about this at some length. The public wants its government to initiate massive programs to fix the nation’s infrastructure. Leaders of both parties agree, but nothing gets done. The failure of the Congress and the president to agree on infrastructure legislation is a major indictment of the efficacy of our current system of representative government.

 

3. Pass More Legislation Relating Directly to Jobs.

Jobs are the key to economic wellbeing for most pre-retirement-age Americans. Unemployment is now at or near record lows, to be sure, but there are changes afoot. Most Americans say artificial intelligence will eliminate more jobs than it creates. The sustainability of jobs with reasonably high pay in an era when unionized jobs are declining and contract “gig” jobs are increasing is problematic. Our Gallup data over the years show clear majority approval for a number of ideas focused on jobs: providing tax incentives for companies to teach workers to acquire new skills; initiating new federal programs to increase U.S. manufacturing jobs; creating new tax incentives for small businesses and entrepreneurs who start new businesses; providing $5.5 billion in federal monies for job training programs that would create 1 million jobs for disadvantaged young Americans; and providing tax credits and incentives for companies that hire the long-term unemployed.

My read of the data is that the public generally will support almost any government effort to increase the availability of high-paying, permanent jobs.

 

4. Pass Legislation Dealing With All Aspects of Immigration.

Americans rate immigration as one of the top problems facing the nation today. The majority of Americans favor their elected representatives taking action that deals with all aspects of the situation — the regulation of who gets to come into the country in the first place and the issue of dealing with individuals who are already in the country illegally. As I summarized in a review of the data earlier this year: “Americans overwhelmingly favor protecting the border, although with skepticism about the need for new border walls. Americans also overwhelmingly favor approaches for allowing undocumented immigrants already living in the U.S. to stay here.”

Recent surveys by Pew Research also reinforce the view that Americans have multiple goals for their elected representatives when it comes to immigration: border security, dealing with immigrants already in the country, and taking in refugees affected by war and violence.

 

More Direction From the People

What else do the people want their elected representatives to do? The answer can be extremely involved (and complex), but there are several additional areas I can highlight where the data show clear majority support for government policy actions.

 

Americans See Healthcare and Education as Important but Don’t Have a Clear Mandate

There are two areas of life to which the public attaches high importance, but about which there is no clear agreement on what the government should be doing. One is healthcare, an issue that consistently appears near the top of the list of most important problems facing the nation, and obviously an issue of great concern to presidential candidates. But, as I recently summarized, “Healthcare is clearly a complex and often mysterious part of most Americans’ lives, and public opinion on the issue reflects this underlying messiness and complexity. Americans have mixed views about almost all aspects of the healthcare system and clearly have not yet come to a firm collective judgment on suggested reforms.”

Education is another high priority for Americans, but one where the federal government’s role in the eyes of the public isn’t totally clear. Both the American people and school superintendents agree on the critical importance of teachers, so I presume the public would welcome efforts by the federal government to make the teaching profession more attractive and more rewarding. Americans also most likely recognize that education is a key to the future of the job market in a time of growing transition from manual labor to knowledge work. But the failure of the federal government’s massive effort to get involved in education with the No Child Left Behind legislation underscores the complexities of exactly what the federal government should or should not be doing in education, historically a locally controlled part of our American society.